he was making a very legitimate point about sarah palin. >> let's back up for people who haven't been following. sarah palin had given a speech in which she compared the national debt and owing money to china to slavery. a lot of people didn't like that. i said this in the beginning, it is fair game to criticize sarah palin, fox news contributor, over that, but let's not mince words here. what bashir said in a scripted read with graphics that had to be approved or acquiesced by other people at the network, you know, suggested using her as a toilet. >> yes. and i think the legitimate point that he was making is that these slavery things are brought up too often and this is how awful slavery is. then he brought up a vulgar thing at the end for it which he apologized. yeah, that happens on msnbc. it happens on fox news. people on this network have talked about decapitating me and turning me into hummus. nobody's getting suspended or barely apologizing for that sort of thing. >> was that a host or guest? >> it was from npr. this is the sort of thing that can happen on any network. >> to s